Placing the ball again

[JPW]

Can't seem to get through to reply to the previous post so I am
starting another.

AS's question should be dealt with in two parts 1) "live" 2.)
"untouchable".

1) The answer to the "live" part is clearly answered in the answer to
Decision 20-4/1 which states "Under rule 20-4 a ball is IN PLAY when
it is REPLACED, whether or not the object used to mark its position
has been removed."
This description can give rise to different events. If the ball has
NOT been addressed and the wind moves it, for example, then it is
played from its new position, despite it being marked still. If the
ball has been addressed and the putter touches and moves the ball but
it returns to its original position then no penalty is involved but if
it does not return then a penalty of 1 stroke is incurred and the ball
must be replaced otherwise, if struck from that point, a further 1
stroke penalty occurs.
2) A ball is NEVER "untouchable" provided it is marked prior to
"touching". I understand what is meant by the word and perhaps its use
is unfortunate. If a player leaves his marker behind the ball whilst
addressing, this is perfectly acceptable and means that he may walk
away from the address position and realign his ball if he so wishes,
despite the ball being in play as per Decision, for he has abandoned
the address!

JPW

[Alan]

Post by JPW
Can't seem to get through to reply to the previous post so I am
starting another.
JPW

Hello Pat,

The subject "Placing the ball" was originated by
Paul S-J on 02/08/2009.

Poster AS unfortunately used the same subject for
his new query on 31/07/2011 and his post and all
replies are being directed to the 2009 thread.

Good to see you active and no doubt regularly
shooting your age :-)

Cheers, Alan

[JPW]

Post by Alan

Post by JPW
starting another.
JPW

Hello Pat,
The subject "Placing the ball" was originated by
Paul S-J on 02/08/2009.
Poster AS unfortunately used the same subject for
his new query on 31/07/2011 and his post and all
replies are being directed to the 2009 thread.
Good to see you active and no doubt regularly
shooting your age :-)
Cheers, Alan

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the information. Been a long time since I posted and am
obviously out of touch.

As for shooting my age....I wish. If I could get to a 79 I would be as
happy as Clarkey was when he won the Open!

You have heard the tale of the two old fellas playing off the the
first tee and one didn't see his where his ball had gone and the
other one did....but forgot where it had gone. Well roll those two
into one and that's me lately.
However I'm lucky to be playing four times a week.

Take care.

JPW

[Paul Schmitz-Josten]

Post by JPW
As for shooting my age....I wish. If I could get to a 79 I would be as
happy as Clarkey was when he won the Open!

Add me!

I only hope that my age and my skills may meet at some point in equilibrium
- for now age is below 60 and score is above 80 ;->

If I only remember then (sic!) that there are courses of low Par
and forward tees...

Post by JPW
However I'm lucky to be playing four times a week.

You ARE a lucky man - keep on!

Ciao,

Paul

[johnty]

If I'm going to shoot my age before I die, I hope the day is at least
thirty five years away.

[AS]

Post by JPW
1) The answer to the "live" part is clearly answered in the answer to
Decision 20-4/1 which states "Under rule 20-4 a ball is IN PLAY when
it is REPLACED, whether or not the object used to mark its position
has been removed."

So, if a player marks his/her ball, cleans and replaces it and removes
the marker, may (s)he mark it and lift it again if still dissatisfied?

AS

[johnty]

Post by AS
So, if a player marks his/her ball, cleans and replaces it and removes
the marker, may (s)he mark it and lift it again if still dissatisfied?

Yes